letstalklc
09-03 11:25 AM
Very sad news...May his soul rest and peace....
Guys don't put any bad comments against him, Please not that I am not associated with any political party.......it's not good to put bad comments against the person that he is no more....
Guys don't put any bad comments against him, Please not that I am not associated with any political party.......it's not good to put bad comments against the person that he is no more....
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kondur_007
07-23 03:15 PM
Thanks !! I had a quick question ..the rules for the spillover, is that a law or does that depend on USCIS or DOS ?
In other words can they change the rules for spillover once again ..say next year ?
Hmmm...that's the question everyone is asking and I tried to read the actual law on this. I am not a lawyer, but what I can interpret is this: The law does not say anything about the "primary handle". In other words, if there is a spill over, should it be confined to the categories or to the countries... (which is a 'stronger' limit: per country or the category?) and this issue is not addressed specifically and that's why DOS has decided to interprete it differently now....
So in short, you are right: it is purely an interpretation from someone in DOS and it may change
I still feel there is small hope for EB3-ww and maybe even EB3-I ...majority of the EB2 cases were filed during july fiasco ..what if they have not been processed yet ? i.e. they will keep moving the dates fwd till it becomes current (if that still does not use up the visas) ..then they would move EB3-ww dates fwd ..once again this is wishing and dreaming :)
That is actually a wishful thinking, and eventhough a long shot, it is possible with USCIS (anything is possible with them:p)
But remember, if they use up this year's numbers by sept, they will retrogress everything again till the end of next fiscal year and that buys them another year to process those applications (without the worry of dealing with any new 485s due to retrogression)
They will think several hundred times before making EB2 current, because that will mean a new round of applications (everyone with PDs in 2006 have filed their 485 already any way, and so current advancing of the dates was a calculated move not to allow any new filing).
But as I said above, anything is possible with USCIS:p
Good Luck to all of us...
In other words can they change the rules for spillover once again ..say next year ?
Hmmm...that's the question everyone is asking and I tried to read the actual law on this. I am not a lawyer, but what I can interpret is this: The law does not say anything about the "primary handle". In other words, if there is a spill over, should it be confined to the categories or to the countries... (which is a 'stronger' limit: per country or the category?) and this issue is not addressed specifically and that's why DOS has decided to interprete it differently now....
So in short, you are right: it is purely an interpretation from someone in DOS and it may change
I still feel there is small hope for EB3-ww and maybe even EB3-I ...majority of the EB2 cases were filed during july fiasco ..what if they have not been processed yet ? i.e. they will keep moving the dates fwd till it becomes current (if that still does not use up the visas) ..then they would move EB3-ww dates fwd ..once again this is wishing and dreaming :)
That is actually a wishful thinking, and eventhough a long shot, it is possible with USCIS (anything is possible with them:p)
But remember, if they use up this year's numbers by sept, they will retrogress everything again till the end of next fiscal year and that buys them another year to process those applications (without the worry of dealing with any new 485s due to retrogression)
They will think several hundred times before making EB2 current, because that will mean a new round of applications (everyone with PDs in 2006 have filed their 485 already any way, and so current advancing of the dates was a calculated move not to allow any new filing).
But as I said above, anything is possible with USCIS:p
Good Luck to all of us...
boreal
07-21 05:31 PM
For 2007 we had an availability of 226,000 Family Based Visas. But the issued visas in 2007 in Family Based are 194,900 visas. That means there are 226,000 MINUS 194,900 = 31100. These 31,100
unused Family Based Visas have been made available for 2008 Employment Based Visas of 140,000. And USCIS has 28,795 unused VISAS of American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act of 2000 (AC21).
Sorry, silly question. Does this mean that these 32k visas are available to the EB2 I/C folks in Aug/Sep?
unused Family Based Visas have been made available for 2008 Employment Based Visas of 140,000. And USCIS has 28,795 unused VISAS of American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act of 2000 (AC21).
Sorry, silly question. Does this mean that these 32k visas are available to the EB2 I/C folks in Aug/Sep?
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unitednations
02-13 12:08 PM
I'm not sure that your numbers add up. There's no guarantee that anybody would receive a green card before their 90 or 180 day I-94 expires. Leaving the US and reentering to remain in status then runs the risk of putting immigration application in danger. In reality - PERM takes a couple of months to complete with advertising, interviewing, preparing documents and filing. The I-140/485 process takes another 6-8 months assuming that there are no RFEs and your case is processed in the faster service centers. This timescale only works for ROW applicants if they meet the EB-2 standard. This is not an easy standard to meet for many people who have worked at the same employer for a number of years.
On a separate note, CIS is supposed to meet a standard where most green card applications are evaluated within less than a year. They claim to meet this standard by quickly approving applications whose dates are current and then not including backlogged applications in their calculations. One more example of fuzzy math at the CIS...
This is how the law works:
To file I-485; one has to be admissable and in non immigrant status(not subject to J-1 requirements, no major medical issues, no serious criminal issue). If there is a labor and priority date is current then you go straight to 140/485.
many times a company may have already filed a labor for you before you even get into USA.
There is protection of 245k which basically gives a buffer of 6 months. Essentially; one can file a 485 if they were out of status; worked without authorization or were in non immigrant status within six months of filing 485.
So what this means is if your I-94 card expires in March 31, 2007; you have protection to file 485 until about September 30, 2007. There is more then enough time to be able to file the 485. The big hiccup happens if the priority date moves backwards and you can't file the 485.
Last year there were a few people who had posted on immigration.com who had their 485's retruned by uscis. They came on visitor visa and labor approved but filed in eb3. Their stupid lawyers didn't realize the dates were retrogressed or when they started the process there was word of law change and they figured that by the time labor cleared; the visa dates would be current.
I wouldn't fight this much; it is well established that people do this and it goes on. This is one of the reasons why I was pretty much against filing 485 without priority date being current. There would be a mass flood of people who would file. People who currently file in political asylum or get married to us citizens or people who have family sponsorship and are waiting visa dates would all flip over to employment base and would cause millions of applications with never ending retrogression. it would have pretty much been a disaster.
On a separate note, CIS is supposed to meet a standard where most green card applications are evaluated within less than a year. They claim to meet this standard by quickly approving applications whose dates are current and then not including backlogged applications in their calculations. One more example of fuzzy math at the CIS...
This is how the law works:
To file I-485; one has to be admissable and in non immigrant status(not subject to J-1 requirements, no major medical issues, no serious criminal issue). If there is a labor and priority date is current then you go straight to 140/485.
many times a company may have already filed a labor for you before you even get into USA.
There is protection of 245k which basically gives a buffer of 6 months. Essentially; one can file a 485 if they were out of status; worked without authorization or were in non immigrant status within six months of filing 485.
So what this means is if your I-94 card expires in March 31, 2007; you have protection to file 485 until about September 30, 2007. There is more then enough time to be able to file the 485. The big hiccup happens if the priority date moves backwards and you can't file the 485.
Last year there were a few people who had posted on immigration.com who had their 485's retruned by uscis. They came on visitor visa and labor approved but filed in eb3. Their stupid lawyers didn't realize the dates were retrogressed or when they started the process there was word of law change and they figured that by the time labor cleared; the visa dates would be current.
I wouldn't fight this much; it is well established that people do this and it goes on. This is one of the reasons why I was pretty much against filing 485 without priority date being current. There would be a mass flood of people who would file. People who currently file in political asylum or get married to us citizens or people who have family sponsorship and are waiting visa dates would all flip over to employment base and would cause millions of applications with never ending retrogression. it would have pretty much been a disaster.
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07-26 07:32 PM
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Rb_newsletter
08-15 03:30 PM
Why are you guys talking about human trafficking? In this case SRK was not detained for that. He was detained only for his name match.
This is an atrocity of one particular officer. TOI article posted by OP says "There were other immigration officers who even vouched for me but this particular officer did not listen to anyone". You have to notice the gap here. SRK was detained for identity check because of his last name. When other officers vouch why he was still detained.
Thing we should be worried about is, if SRK - who has MPs and other big shots behind him to prove him - needs 2 hours to prove his identity, think about commoners like us. We may get lost without help.
This is an atrocity of one particular officer. TOI article posted by OP says "There were other immigration officers who even vouched for me but this particular officer did not listen to anyone". You have to notice the gap here. SRK was detained for identity check because of his last name. When other officers vouch why he was still detained.
Thing we should be worried about is, if SRK - who has MPs and other big shots behind him to prove him - needs 2 hours to prove his identity, think about commoners like us. We may get lost without help.
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07-03 05:14 PM
Thanks..
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kondur_007
08-04 10:11 AM
Hello VDLRAO ,
People from June 2006 are geting GC means that USCIS enough visa so they started to give gc to 2006 candidates.. is my belief true. What will be date in new year's first quater for eb2 india ?
I don't think USCIS has any idea as to how much "enough" visa they have....They function randomly...so plz dont draw any conclusions from who is getting a GC now. It could be the last person filed with latest PD while everyone else waits for their GC!
Just wait and watch. Sept dates will throw some light as to how much of the available visas have they used. (if all, PD will be U, If most/majority: PD will stay same, if less than half: PD will move forward--may be C:p)
People from June 2006 are geting GC means that USCIS enough visa so they started to give gc to 2006 candidates.. is my belief true. What will be date in new year's first quater for eb2 india ?
I don't think USCIS has any idea as to how much "enough" visa they have....They function randomly...so plz dont draw any conclusions from who is getting a GC now. It could be the last person filed with latest PD while everyone else waits for their GC!
Just wait and watch. Sept dates will throw some light as to how much of the available visas have they used. (if all, PD will be U, If most/majority: PD will stay same, if less than half: PD will move forward--may be C:p)
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Caliber
09-04 01:03 PM
You moron coming from the slum region or any other place in Bihar.
You don't know about keralites.
100% Literacy.
Living standard is same like Europe. (no other state have the facilities such as health care and standard of living like Kerala).
It is God's own country.
Visit and see the details.
Even the guys working in Gulf countries knows better than you and making much more than you. Go and see their houses.(multi storied), You are still in an appartment.
Do you ???? You are _TrueFacts aka poorslumdog aka insider
DEALSNET: You got answers for your own questions. Please understand that every one in Andhra also wanted to live the way you guys enjoy in Kerala. But this guy YSR and his son Jagan grabbed every thing in Hyderabad. If you do not giveyour property, they will kill. They killed 174 people. They even intimidated Judges.
It is Jesus Christ that killed YSR for using his name and doing all worst things that a common man can not even imagine.
By the way what is "APPARTMENT?
You don't know about keralites.
100% Literacy.
Living standard is same like Europe. (no other state have the facilities such as health care and standard of living like Kerala).
It is God's own country.
Visit and see the details.
Even the guys working in Gulf countries knows better than you and making much more than you. Go and see their houses.(multi storied), You are still in an appartment.
Do you ???? You are _TrueFacts aka poorslumdog aka insider
DEALSNET: You got answers for your own questions. Please understand that every one in Andhra also wanted to live the way you guys enjoy in Kerala. But this guy YSR and his son Jagan grabbed every thing in Hyderabad. If you do not giveyour property, they will kill. They killed 174 people. They even intimidated Judges.
It is Jesus Christ that killed YSR for using his name and doing all worst things that a common man can not even imagine.
By the way what is "APPARTMENT?
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zen
04-01 03:18 AM
This is certainly one of the popular thread ..why are we so concerned as to who the next PM will be ..are most of us in the forum so concerned because we may have to pack our bags and return to Mother India ?
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Googler
02-20 03:03 PM
And then there this piece of info from Ron Gotcher posted on Feb 14, 2008
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4285
"Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:
In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year."
I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. So I guess at least as of 2/14/08 he thought moving the date to 12/1/03 would more than mop up whatever was leftover from EB-1 India. Given the end of the FBI boondoggle (the effects of which have not been quantified by Oppenheim or USCIS) I'd predict that even a date in early 2002 would be good enough to mop up. Let us see if he changes his mind by mid March.
See update on this discussion on this thread (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17450).
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4285
"Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:
In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year."
I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. So I guess at least as of 2/14/08 he thought moving the date to 12/1/03 would more than mop up whatever was leftover from EB-1 India. Given the end of the FBI boondoggle (the effects of which have not been quantified by Oppenheim or USCIS) I'd predict that even a date in early 2002 would be good enough to mop up. Let us see if he changes his mind by mid March.
See update on this discussion on this thread (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17450).
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letstalklc
01-13 03:59 PM
Is this some thing needs to pass or in proposal or already effected since the date they published on the website?
I have not ready the doc.
I have not ready the doc.
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shiankuraaf
07-14 09:39 PM
My dependents are out of US for almost 5 months for now and they have AP approved before they left US and they are planning to come to US in couple of weeks from now on AP. Our PD is going to be current in Aug08. Is this OK to be out of US for this much time when AOS is pending? Staying out of US for this long would effect their AOS processing in any way?
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immieb2
01-14 07:26 AM
Consulting companies are just the tip of the ice burg. They should really target infy, wipro, TCS like companies. They are the one truly exploiting the sytem to the fullest. They do not sponsor GC, do not pay the good salary or any benefit to the employee. I also dont see the share holders are rewared. God knows where all the profits are going. (which holes are getting filled)?
I agree with you completely. I don't know what Infy and Wipro are doing with their money but TCS was filling Tata Motors and Tata Steel historically. Also buying companies like Land Rover and Jaguar while screwing their employees.
Are they using TCS money to subsidize Tata Nano?
I agree with you completely. I don't know what Infy and Wipro are doing with their money but TCS was filling Tata Motors and Tata Steel historically. Also buying companies like Land Rover and Jaguar while screwing their employees.
Are they using TCS money to subsidize Tata Nano?
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amitjoey
01-13 12:24 PM
Members: Please - refrain from fighting about EB3/EB2.
IV is for everybody and IV has always tried to be balanced and fair to all categories. Please read the provisions that IV is asking for.
The goal is for zero backlog -Then where is the question of EB3 lagging behind.
IF we get what we are asking for- ie: recapture, not counting dependants and no country quota, then there wont be backlog in any of the categories.
IV is for everybody and IV has always tried to be balanced and fair to all categories. Please read the provisions that IV is asking for.
The goal is for zero backlog -Then where is the question of EB3 lagging behind.
IF we get what we are asking for- ie: recapture, not counting dependants and no country quota, then there wont be backlog in any of the categories.
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maddipati1
03-27 02:43 PM
people went to see another guy taking oath too, who caused recent genocide in Iraq.. Indian PMs are way better than that asshole. Atleast they are only corrupt and dont cause genocide.
:mad:
I am just wondering.....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
:mad:
I am just wondering.....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
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villamonte6100
12-14 01:22 PM
Unfortunately, I am not a lawyer. I am a tech guy just like you. I wish I could help.
Our firm deals with corporate cases, either litigation or transactional, but not immigration. In fact, we hired an immigration lawyer to process my GC.
Are you a constitutional lawyer or maybe know someone who can help? Yes, we would appreciate knowledgeable input from experts.
Our firm deals with corporate cases, either litigation or transactional, but not immigration. In fact, we hired an immigration lawyer to process my GC.
Are you a constitutional lawyer or maybe know someone who can help? Yes, we would appreciate knowledgeable input from experts.
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darslee
07-03 10:24 PM
I don't know about it. Anyone with details should post summary.
I think it is not relevent for EAD/AP but we can use it when we need it
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to ajudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again. :(
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
I think it is not relevent for EAD/AP but we can use it when we need it
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to ajudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again. :(
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
unitednations
02-13 09:07 PM
I am following this discussion and it is interesting. Here is what I get so far.
USCIS is not allotting excess visa number horizontally. Unused visas from Eb1 and EB2 are not going to over subscribed countries but to EB3 ROW. The "total" visas in the law can be read as total visa across all categories. If this is true then it is likely that untill EB3 ROW becomes current, India and China will only get 7%. But here is what I do not get.
1) From november 2005 bulletin, USCIS is saying that they are going to suspend AC21. Why did they decide to suspend ac21? Can they decide on their own when they are going to apply to AC21 and when they are not? Is AC21 not a law?
2) Why or how did USCIS allocate large number of visas to over subscribed countries India and China before? Like in the November bulletin, USCIS says india used up around 44000 visas. Were they allocating more visas by following AC21? If yes, then why did they decide to suspend AC21? If no, then how they allocated so many numbers?
I am trying to understand the how the USCIS decides to allocate visa numbers. And it is very complex.
No; it is not in their discretion to suspend anything.
Before concurrent filing came around (2002); it was pretty easy to calculate dates because the 140's had to be approved. from here they could get good estimates.
However; they weren't ready for concurrent filing and 140's sat for almost one to two years to get approved. It looks like at this time; the visa dates started to get screwed up. Essentially, ac21 law says at anytime there is more demand then supply of visas in any quarter then 7% limit will apply. If you think about this; when would a situation ever exist where there wouldn't be more then 35,000 applications in any quarter?
back in 2003 in one of thos aila liaision minutes; uscis had said that approving 485's for EB people wasn't a priority and they just sat there. Hardly any EB cases got approved back then.
In April 2005 there was over 35,000 EB approvals mainly due to ombudsmen slamming them for not approving the cases. It looks like when all these cases got approved; someone at uscis/dos realized there was a big problem in their handling of visa dates and that there were too many applicants for visas and established dates and then in October 2006 they went strictly by more demand then visas available in a quarter then no ac21 and retrogression.
That's why I say there are also many people walking around with 485's who perhaps shouldn't be; because dos/uscis didn't do it properly in the last few years.
Also, due to the long time it was taking to get labors approved in heavy immigrant states (california, texas, georiga, new jersey, new york, virigina) many people from ROW in these states weren't able to get labors approved. However, many enterprising companies decided they were going to open branch offices in fast processing states (maine, new hampshire, south dakota, wisconsin) and get the labors approved very fast. This is why there is people with 2004 priority dates in eb3 with 485's pending but people in the slow states couldn't file. Now; there is a big convergence of all of this together. We all just happen to have gotten caught in a unique period of time in immigration (245i's; labor backlogs; concurrent filing; expansion of h-1b's, etc.).
USCIS is not allotting excess visa number horizontally. Unused visas from Eb1 and EB2 are not going to over subscribed countries but to EB3 ROW. The "total" visas in the law can be read as total visa across all categories. If this is true then it is likely that untill EB3 ROW becomes current, India and China will only get 7%. But here is what I do not get.
1) From november 2005 bulletin, USCIS is saying that they are going to suspend AC21. Why did they decide to suspend ac21? Can they decide on their own when they are going to apply to AC21 and when they are not? Is AC21 not a law?
2) Why or how did USCIS allocate large number of visas to over subscribed countries India and China before? Like in the November bulletin, USCIS says india used up around 44000 visas. Were they allocating more visas by following AC21? If yes, then why did they decide to suspend AC21? If no, then how they allocated so many numbers?
I am trying to understand the how the USCIS decides to allocate visa numbers. And it is very complex.
No; it is not in their discretion to suspend anything.
Before concurrent filing came around (2002); it was pretty easy to calculate dates because the 140's had to be approved. from here they could get good estimates.
However; they weren't ready for concurrent filing and 140's sat for almost one to two years to get approved. It looks like at this time; the visa dates started to get screwed up. Essentially, ac21 law says at anytime there is more demand then supply of visas in any quarter then 7% limit will apply. If you think about this; when would a situation ever exist where there wouldn't be more then 35,000 applications in any quarter?
back in 2003 in one of thos aila liaision minutes; uscis had said that approving 485's for EB people wasn't a priority and they just sat there. Hardly any EB cases got approved back then.
In April 2005 there was over 35,000 EB approvals mainly due to ombudsmen slamming them for not approving the cases. It looks like when all these cases got approved; someone at uscis/dos realized there was a big problem in their handling of visa dates and that there were too many applicants for visas and established dates and then in October 2006 they went strictly by more demand then visas available in a quarter then no ac21 and retrogression.
That's why I say there are also many people walking around with 485's who perhaps shouldn't be; because dos/uscis didn't do it properly in the last few years.
Also, due to the long time it was taking to get labors approved in heavy immigrant states (california, texas, georiga, new jersey, new york, virigina) many people from ROW in these states weren't able to get labors approved. However, many enterprising companies decided they were going to open branch offices in fast processing states (maine, new hampshire, south dakota, wisconsin) and get the labors approved very fast. This is why there is people with 2004 priority dates in eb3 with 485's pending but people in the slow states couldn't file. Now; there is a big convergence of all of this together. We all just happen to have gotten caught in a unique period of time in immigration (245i's; labor backlogs; concurrent filing; expansion of h-1b's, etc.).
Lasantha
12-14 02:48 PM
His/Her country of origin and the state chapter is not really relevent for this discussion now, is it?
:cool:
Villamonte,
Just so that we can understand the background of your continues opposition to this idea, could you please let us know your country of origin? Also some information about which state chapter you belong to will be great if you don't mind. :)
Thanks.
:cool:
Villamonte,
Just so that we can understand the background of your continues opposition to this idea, could you please let us know your country of origin? Also some information about which state chapter you belong to will be great if you don't mind. :)
Thanks.
